WEBVTT 00:00.767 --> 00:02.434 SONG: ♪ Volare... ♪ 00:02.436 --> 00:03.836 MAN: ..nation-building project... 00:03.838 --> 00:06.038 KEVIN RUDD: ..new infrastructure of the 21st century. 00:06.040 --> 00:08.807 WOMAN: If there is a buzzword in this Budget, it's 'nation-building'. 00:08.809 --> 00:10.676 ANTHONY ALBANESE: Major infrastructure projects right around the country. 00:10.678 --> 00:12.845 MAN 2: Real projects, real money. 00:12.847 --> 00:15.781 MAN 3: A transformational vision for the infrastructure of the 21st century. 00:15.783 --> 00:18.250 TONY ABBOTT: I want to be known as the infrastructure prime minister. 00:18.252 --> 00:20.019 -Nation-building... -Nation-building for recovery. 00:20.021 --> 00:22.021 -..nation-building program... -..nation-building... 00:22.023 --> 00:23.956 -Nation-building. -Nation-building. 00:23.958 --> 00:27.626 SONG: ♪ We can sing in the glow of a star that I know of 00:27.628 --> 00:30.763 ♪ Where lovers enjoy peace of mind... ♪ 00:40.206 --> 00:42.808 TONY: No, no. 00:42.810 --> 00:45.110 Nation Building Authority, Amy. 00:46.379 --> 00:48.213 When you answered the phone before, 00:48.215 --> 00:49.915 you said "Nation Building Australia". 00:49.917 --> 00:51.884 No, they're not the same thing. 00:51.886 --> 00:54.153 No, we have nothing to do with the National Broadband Network, 00:54.155 --> 00:55.721 so you don't need to reply to those. 00:55.723 --> 00:57.656 I've been getting a lot of calls... 00:57.658 --> 01:00.292 Just give them the number of the NBN. Nothing to do with you. 01:00.294 --> 01:01.894 -What's this, again? -A water audit. 01:01.896 --> 01:03.862 They're upgrading our building to a 6-star rating. 01:03.864 --> 01:06.098 -You need to approve our floor. -I approve, so just... 01:06.100 --> 01:07.966 -Then you need to sign it. -OK. 01:07.968 --> 01:11.136 -Where it says 'sign'. -OK. Is this the last I see of it? 01:11.138 --> 01:12.971 -Yes? -Yes. -Thank you. -(PHONE RINGS) 01:12.973 --> 01:14.606 -Katie. -Nation Building Australia. 01:14.608 --> 01:17.242 -Authority, Amy. -Authority. -Thank you, Katie. 01:17.244 --> 01:20.479 Oh, a geotechnical consultant by the name of Gavin is coming in, 01:20.481 --> 01:22.815 and I need to see him the second he arrives. 01:22.817 --> 01:24.550 Is he the structural engineer? 01:24.552 --> 01:28.253 No, a geotechnical consultant called Gavin, yeah. 01:28.255 --> 01:30.656 What's his last name? 01:30.658 --> 01:34.126 If you say 'Gavin', his head'll turn round, OK? 01:34.128 --> 01:36.195 -Like "Gavin!" -Yeah. - "Gavin." 01:36.197 --> 01:37.963 Yep. It doesn't matter the way you say it. 01:37.965 --> 01:41.600 OK, time lines for everyone. I have taped them together. 01:41.602 --> 01:43.769 -Feel free to open them up. -Sorry about that. Alright. 01:43.771 --> 01:46.772 I really didn't want time lines distributed right now. 01:46.774 --> 01:48.607 Can I say something right off the bat? 01:48.609 --> 01:50.275 These are highly provisional time lines. 01:50.277 --> 01:53.078 This'll be a huge project, so we haven't begun meaningful... 01:53.080 --> 01:54.913 SCOTT: Is anyone else missing page three? 01:54.915 --> 01:57.249 -I've got two page fours. -TONY: I wouldn't worry. 01:57.251 --> 01:59.084 -Yes? -Can I just clarify something? -Sure, Amy. 01:59.086 --> 02:02.121 -Red's the consultation phase. -That's about time lines again. 02:02.123 --> 02:04.189 Yellow is design and development and green is the... 02:04.191 --> 02:06.358 -Mine's in black-and-white. -I wouldn't worry about that. 02:06.360 --> 02:08.293 -What's the purple? -AMY: There is no purple. 02:08.295 --> 02:10.229 -We'll get the printer fixed. -Now? -No, not now. 02:10.231 --> 02:12.064 -Shall I minute that? -Minute what? -The printer. 02:12.066 --> 02:14.967 No, just get it fixed. Look, time lines down! 02:14.969 --> 02:16.902 -Yes, Katie? -SCOTT: Oh! 02:16.904 --> 02:19.905 Those ones are normal, and those ones are gluten-free. 02:19.907 --> 02:21.840 -Who's gluten-free? -Carol. 02:21.842 --> 02:26.011 -Who's Carol? -Carol's no longer here. 02:29.349 --> 02:31.884 Do you want me to get the gluten put back in? 02:31.886 --> 02:33.886 -No, leave it out for today. -OK. 02:33.888 --> 02:36.388 -Go back to gluten. -TONY: Can I have everyone's attention? 02:36.390 --> 02:38.790 We're yet to decide exactly what the NBA is going to do... 02:38.792 --> 02:40.926 -SCOTT: Who's the NBA? -Us. -AMY: Nation Building Australia. 02:40.928 --> 02:43.462 Authority, Amy. The point is, nothing's locked in. 02:43.464 --> 02:45.364 Worrying about years two, three and four is crazy. 02:45.366 --> 02:47.199 -AMY: Tony? -Is this about the time lines? -No. 02:47.201 --> 02:48.867 -OK. -With the water audit... 02:48.869 --> 02:50.669 Let's concentrate on Authority business just for the moment. 02:50.671 --> 02:52.871 -Add it to the time line? -Forget the time line! 02:52.873 --> 02:54.540 I'm sorry. Just, please. 02:54.542 --> 02:56.875 There's one thing we have to do over the next six months, 02:56.877 --> 02:59.378 and that is work out what's possible on a very tricky site, 02:59.380 --> 03:02.681 so that is a very detailed, very disciplined, very technical job. 03:02.683 --> 03:05.651 We need to really focused on... 03:05.653 --> 03:08.187 -Got a second? -Sure. 03:08.189 --> 03:09.721 -Hey, guys. How are you? -SCOTT: Hey. 03:09.723 --> 03:11.790 -What happened here? -Hey. Oh, it's nothing. 03:11.792 --> 03:15.794 Just a thought. I was driving in today, and I couldn't... 03:15.796 --> 03:19.031 -Just say it, just say it. -We need a new push. -A what? 03:19.033 --> 03:20.699 A push. You know, like a thrust. 03:20.701 --> 03:22.534 Again, I have no idea what you're talking... 03:22.536 --> 03:24.102 Something we can put out there 03:24.104 --> 03:26.171 just to let people know that we're on the move. 03:26.173 --> 03:28.340 -Is there a problem? -No, they love it. 03:28.342 --> 03:31.777 -Nation Building Australia. -Authority. -Authority. 03:31.779 --> 03:33.545 It's just that since the launch, 03:33.547 --> 03:35.480 with all the coverage and the attention, 03:35.482 --> 03:37.983 we came out of the blocks with a big splash, 03:37.985 --> 03:40.052 and now it's all gone a bit quiet. 03:40.054 --> 03:41.720 That's 'cause it was the launch. 03:41.722 --> 03:44.056 Now we've actually gotta try and do what we said we'd do. 03:44.058 --> 03:46.525 -What'd we say we'd do, again? -I've sent you this five times. 03:46.527 --> 03:48.594 In your words. In your words. 03:48.596 --> 03:50.696 We said we'd oversee a series of iconic and visionary projects. 03:50.698 --> 03:53.665 -Ah, yes. -Revitalise inner-urban lands. 03:53.667 --> 03:55.334 Three tiers of government. 03:55.336 --> 03:57.202 Nation-build for future generations. 03:57.204 --> 03:59.004 Yes, I love all of that. Where's that gone? 03:59.006 --> 04:01.506 -In the launch. Now we're trying to actually do it. -Great. 04:01.508 --> 04:03.408 -We'll tell them that. -Tell them what? 04:03.410 --> 04:05.677 That we're away! That we're nation-building. 04:05.679 --> 04:07.079 That we're being iconic. 04:07.081 --> 04:09.982 -OK, you know what? I'll have a think about it. -Great. 04:09.984 --> 04:14.720 Nation-builders! Don't hide your light under a bushel. 04:15.755 --> 04:18.323 Need some sort of...push. 04:18.325 --> 04:20.592 -A push? -Or something we can announce. 04:20.594 --> 04:23.061 -Oh. A push. -NAT: What did he want? 04:23.063 --> 04:25.430 -He wants a push. -What's a push? 04:25.432 --> 04:27.966 Oh, just to show that we're underway, we're on the move. 04:27.968 --> 04:29.534 -But we're not. -No. 04:29.536 --> 04:31.803 You don't have a possibility or a feasibility 04:31.805 --> 04:33.538 that we could just let out... 04:33.540 --> 04:35.607 What about... Where did we get to on the marina? 04:35.609 --> 04:37.909 -Oh, it's very early days. -Wasn't there a ferry group... 04:37.911 --> 04:39.911 -It's a lot more complicated... -But they stated... 04:39.913 --> 04:43.015 There's a whole bunch of dredging issues and other snags. 04:44.217 --> 04:45.884 -Can't push that. -No. 04:45.886 --> 04:48.387 Oh. Remember we mentioned the transport corridor? 04:48.389 --> 04:50.722 Remember there's an old railway line with the easements intact. 04:50.724 --> 04:53.525 -Oh, yeah. -What stage are we at on that? 04:53.527 --> 04:55.460 That stage - the mentioning stage. 04:55.462 --> 04:57.229 -We don't have a title? -No. 04:57.231 --> 04:59.398 -It was a sort of a... they keep the easement... -No. 04:59.400 --> 05:02.401 -TONY: But nothing written? -It's mentioned. 05:02.403 --> 05:04.603 -Almost a push. -It sounds push-able. 05:04.605 --> 05:06.938 -Do you want me to have a look? -Yeah, could you? 05:06.940 --> 05:09.107 Just in general terms. Don't spend the day on it. 05:09.109 --> 05:10.809 OK. I won't. Alright. 05:10.811 --> 05:13.278 TONY: 'Cause it might be something that, um... 05:13.280 --> 05:15.047 -We can push? -We can push. -Yeah. 05:15.049 --> 05:18.250 Just an annoyance, that's all, with all the things we've got. 05:18.252 --> 05:20.319 -Why is the water off? -Don't know. 05:20.321 --> 05:22.487 Alright, let's think. What are we doing right now? 05:22.489 --> 05:24.156 -Shall I get the time line? -No, no. 05:24.158 --> 05:26.591 I mean, physically, what are we doing? 05:26.593 --> 05:28.760 -Surveying. -OK. And where are we on that? 05:28.762 --> 05:30.629 -About to start. -Oh. 05:30.631 --> 05:33.231 -Can we announce that? -What, that we haven't started? 05:33.233 --> 05:35.701 -We're about to. -Have we finished anything? -No. 05:35.703 --> 05:38.270 I mean, not that we have to. We're just at the beginning. 05:38.272 --> 05:40.072 -Stage one. -Stage... Of course, exactly. 05:40.074 --> 05:41.907 All the interesting stuff starts after that. 05:41.909 --> 05:44.076 Stage two. 05:45.545 --> 05:47.546 -Could we announce that? -I was just thinking that. 05:47.548 --> 05:50.716 -There's your page three. -Yep. -And yours. -Thank you. 05:50.718 --> 05:53.452 Ah. The water might be off at some stage today. 05:53.454 --> 05:55.287 -It's actually off, Amy. -Oh, good. 05:55.289 --> 05:58.390 No, but I... I wasn't missing page three, Amy. 05:58.392 --> 06:00.959 AMY: You can keep it as a spare. 06:00.961 --> 06:03.462 I cannot find any record of it. 06:03.464 --> 06:05.831 -I think I've got a good map of the line. -Oh, yep? 06:05.833 --> 06:09.101 -It's marked as a railway easement. -Excellent. 06:09.103 --> 06:11.570 -What department are you on? -Google Earth. 06:13.072 --> 06:15.507 I think we need an official department. 06:15.509 --> 06:17.709 -Like a proper title. -Hang on, this is interesting. 06:17.711 --> 06:19.544 -What? -With Google Maps, there's a ruler tool. 06:19.546 --> 06:21.713 -A proper title, Hugh. -Gotcha. 06:22.882 --> 06:24.883 -Close Google Earth. -OK. 06:24.885 --> 06:27.552 Sorry. Got caught up with Helen. 06:27.554 --> 06:29.855 -Oh, how is she? -She is flat out. 06:29.857 --> 06:31.556 As am I. 06:36.829 --> 06:39.398 -Where are we at? -In what sense? -With the push. 06:39.400 --> 06:42.200 Oh. I only found out about it this morning. 06:42.202 --> 06:44.836 -Yeah, and where are we at? -Uh, we don't have one. 06:44.838 --> 06:47.706 We need one. Nation Building Australia is on the move. 06:47.708 --> 06:49.374 -Authority. -Yes, with authority. 06:49.376 --> 06:51.109 -On the move. The push is on. -Yep. 06:51.111 --> 06:54.212 This is interesting - a report on the line a few years back. 06:54.214 --> 06:56.081 -Really? -Yeah. 06:56.083 --> 06:58.116 -How did you find that? -Google. 06:58.118 --> 07:00.952 When I typed 'transport strategy' and added 'shelved', 07:00.954 --> 07:03.355 "Rail corridor restoration shelved". 07:03.357 --> 07:05.290 They did a business model. 07:05.292 --> 07:07.793 And there was an implementation plan as well. 07:07.795 --> 07:09.494 I wonder what happened. 07:09.496 --> 07:11.797 Can I just explain something about...with the site. 07:11.799 --> 07:14.199 We are literally at the pre-survey stage. 07:14.201 --> 07:15.901 I mean, literally, the first survey peg's 07:15.903 --> 07:17.369 about to go in the ground. 07:17.371 --> 07:19.438 -Oh, good news. We are away. -No, we're not. 07:19.440 --> 07:21.473 We will have some things to announce at stage two. 07:21.475 --> 07:23.909 -Love it. -What did you love? -Stage two. 07:23.911 --> 07:26.678 No, I said we WILL have some things to announce at stage two. 07:26.680 --> 07:28.880 -Yeah. -But we won't be there for months. 07:28.882 --> 07:31.550 -What are you doing now? -Stage one. 07:31.552 --> 07:35.120 That feels finished. Starting stage one IS stage one. 07:35.122 --> 07:37.522 -Now... -BOTH: We're at stage two. 07:37.524 --> 07:40.158 -It doesn't make sense. -Well, it does to me, sweetheart. 07:40.160 --> 07:41.993 Why are you being so stingy with stages? 07:41.995 --> 07:43.762 You can have as many as you like. 07:43.764 --> 07:46.131 -But they have to make sense. -Like first pegs going in. 07:46.133 --> 07:47.833 -You just said it. -It's a peg. 07:47.835 --> 07:51.069 It's not a peg. It's a peg! Peg goes in, we begin! 07:51.071 --> 07:52.604 -Oh! -Do you love that? -I love that. 07:52.606 --> 07:55.173 -Let's get it out there. -Begin what? -The pegs. -Yes. 07:55.175 --> 07:56.908 -Rhonda. Rhonda! -Yes! 07:56.910 --> 07:58.510 -Rhonda. -Yes. -You're texting. 07:58.512 --> 08:00.612 -Mm-hm. -Now you're doing it under the desk. 08:00.614 --> 08:02.781 Look, I've been doing this a long time. 08:02.783 --> 08:06.785 Trust me. Stage two is exactly what we're looking for. 08:06.787 --> 08:10.055 It's a push, so come on - push, push, push. 08:10.057 --> 08:13.291 -NAT: Got a sec? -Yeah. Just give me two, guys. 08:13.293 --> 08:15.227 Hugh found something interesting. 08:15.229 --> 08:17.162 -With Google Maps... -About the railway line. 08:17.164 --> 08:19.431 Oh. Yeah, no. Sorry. That is interesting. 08:21.000 --> 08:25.070 Turns out there were plans to recommission the old rail line. 08:25.072 --> 08:27.239 -Were there? -Quite detailed. 08:27.241 --> 08:29.541 Any idea why the proposal didn't get up? 08:29.543 --> 08:31.610 I don't think the economic model stacked up. 08:31.612 --> 08:33.678 It was gonna be a bit of a white elephant. 08:33.680 --> 08:35.447 -That's not for us to judge. -NAT: Sure. 08:35.449 --> 08:37.048 -Long time ago. -Not really. 08:37.050 --> 08:38.817 But a lot's changed since then, Hugh. 08:38.819 --> 08:41.152 My point is, we shouldn't stop 'cause of one small problem. 08:41.154 --> 08:43.455 -I think there were others. -Again, long time ago. 08:43.457 --> 08:44.823 Could be a push. 08:44.825 --> 08:46.391 Could be. 08:46.393 --> 08:49.060 I mean, it could be THE push. 08:50.162 --> 08:51.730 Keep going. 08:59.505 --> 09:02.073 Be there in a sec. Morning, Amy. 09:02.075 --> 09:03.575 Morning. Can I grab you for a sec? 09:03.577 --> 09:05.277 -What did you want? -You need to choose. 09:05.279 --> 09:06.778 -What are they? -Low-flow shower heads. 09:06.780 --> 09:08.513 -Why am I choosing? -For the water audit. 09:08.515 --> 09:10.415 -Oh. Is there a difference? -Not really. 09:10.417 --> 09:13.184 -OK, well, that one. -Sure. As long as you're happy. 09:13.186 --> 09:15.387 You said there was no diff... OK, the other one. 09:15.389 --> 09:17.455 -What was that expression? -What expression? 09:17.457 --> 09:20.325 -You just did this. -One's a bit more expensive than the other. 09:20.327 --> 09:22.260 You said that there was no difference between them. 09:22.262 --> 09:23.929 Well, in water saving, they're the same. 09:23.931 --> 09:26.998 -Well, one saves more than the other. -Which one saves more? 09:27.900 --> 09:29.834 Um...the...left... 09:29.836 --> 09:33.204 No, that doesn't look right. Which is the more expensive one? 09:33.206 --> 09:35.640 I mean, it feels like an announcement. 09:35.642 --> 09:37.709 It just feels like a long way off, though. 09:37.711 --> 09:40.445 -It's got 'hub' written on it. That reads well. -It does. 09:40.447 --> 09:42.647 The problem with all this is most of them will take 09:42.649 --> 09:44.516 at least the rest of the year to complete. 09:44.518 --> 09:46.818 -And stage two gets announced next month. -Yeah. 09:46.820 --> 09:48.887 When was that decided? 09:48.889 --> 09:51.590 There was an email. From Rhonda. 09:51.592 --> 09:53.425 Oh, could we just say in this office, 09:53.427 --> 09:55.260 there's no such thing as stage two. 09:55.262 --> 09:56.962 -Want me to stop the new time line? -Forget that. 09:56.964 --> 09:59.130 It's gonna have 'stage two' written on it, in orange. 09:59.132 --> 10:00.632 -Whatever. -OK. 10:00.634 --> 10:02.701 What is something that we could start and complete 10:02.703 --> 10:04.669 within, say, a month? 10:06.639 --> 10:09.808 -Site branding. -What's that? 10:10.977 --> 10:12.844 -I don't know. -NAT: Sorry. 10:12.846 --> 10:15.213 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That took longer than anything should. 10:15.215 --> 10:17.082 -No worries. -Right. How's it going? 10:17.084 --> 10:18.783 -Good, good. -The railway? 10:18.785 --> 10:21.453 -Yeah, good. I spoke to a bunch of people. -No issues? 10:21.455 --> 10:24.255 No. Easement remains, it's all intact. 10:24.257 --> 10:26.591 -Well, that's good. -Oh, uh... 10:26.593 --> 10:29.327 One of the planners, involved with the original report, 10:29.329 --> 10:32.497 he's a cyclist - like, he rides a bicycle... 10:32.499 --> 10:35.867 -I know what he does. -He's part of a peak cycling body. 10:35.869 --> 10:39.070 -Which is a group of... -I know what a peak body is. 10:39.072 --> 10:41.306 -He had some minor reservations. -Did he? 10:41.308 --> 10:43.508 Couple of queries. Wondered if he could come and see us. 10:43.510 --> 10:47.145 Did he mention a bike path? 10:47.147 --> 10:50.181 No, just a few reservations and queries. 10:50.183 --> 10:53.218 -That's a bike path. -I don't think so. 10:53.220 --> 10:56.121 Alright, you know what? See if he can come in today. 10:56.123 --> 10:58.223 OK. 11:02.962 --> 11:06.564 Amy! Why is the dishwasher in the corridor? 11:06.566 --> 11:09.334 -Because of the audit. -What aspect? 11:09.336 --> 11:11.636 -It's 3.5-star. -Isn't that good? 11:11.638 --> 11:13.571 We're getting a 5-star. 11:13.573 --> 11:16.141 -Well, when does that come? -Should've been here yesterday. 11:16.143 --> 11:18.543 -Well, when does this go? -Should've gone this morning. 11:18.545 --> 11:20.545 -KATIE: Tony? -Well... Yeah? 11:20.547 --> 11:22.247 -It's Rhonda. -Oh. Rhonda. 11:22.249 --> 11:23.848 Scotty, can you bring your time line? 11:23.850 --> 11:26.584 -Rhonda, it's Tony. -RHONDA: Great, love it. Hello? 11:26.586 --> 11:30.021 -Yep. OK, have you read the email? -Yep. 11:30.023 --> 11:31.489 All the way to the end 11:31.491 --> 11:33.425 or just the subject heading and the first paragraph? 11:33.427 --> 11:35.593 Yep, yeah, I definitely will, but listen. 11:35.595 --> 11:38.363 Site branding - love it. Let's lock that in. 11:38.365 --> 11:40.865 Yeah, can I just explain what site branding is, Rhonda? 11:40.867 --> 11:42.600 -Mmm, mmm, please. Go. -OK. 11:42.602 --> 11:44.803 As it pertains to the site... you know with big developments, 11:44.805 --> 11:47.038 they often have a fence with the name on it? 11:47.040 --> 11:48.640 -Mmm, love it. -Yeah. 11:48.642 --> 11:50.208 And sometimes they have photos or designs 11:50.210 --> 11:51.776 of what it will look like? 11:51.778 --> 11:53.445 Oh, love it. 11:53.447 --> 11:56.247 Can you stop saying that until I finish the whole explanation? 11:56.249 --> 11:58.616 -Sure, sure. Love it, yep. -Yeah. OK. 11:58.618 --> 12:01.753 And sometimes they'll add a flag or bunting or whatever... 12:01.755 --> 12:03.421 -Love bunting. -Yeah, yeah. 12:03.423 --> 12:05.623 But at the end of the day, with site branding, 12:05.625 --> 12:08.593 I mean, that's all it is - it's just a fence. 12:08.595 --> 12:10.962 And a gate. They often have a big gate, Rhonda. 12:10.964 --> 12:14.899 RHONDA: OK, well, tick to that. Now, we're launching stage tw. 12:14.901 --> 12:17.902 We've already got pegs. Now we've got site branding. 12:17.904 --> 12:19.571 Sounds very exciting to me. 12:19.573 --> 12:21.539 OK, Rhonda, can I just ask you something? 12:21.541 --> 12:24.042 Can we just keep a lid on it for the moment? 12:24.044 --> 12:26.044 -Yep, yep, absolutely. -Just for now? 12:26.046 --> 12:28.847 -Mm-hm, yep. -Did you hear what I said? 12:28.849 --> 12:30.615 Mm-hm, yep. Yep. 12:30.617 --> 12:32.584 It's just often when you're multi-tasking, you... 12:32.586 --> 12:35.286 -Yep. Yep. Yeah. What? -OK. 12:35.288 --> 12:38.389 -Just keep a lid on it. -Yes, lid. Love it. 12:38.391 --> 12:40.892 OK. 12:40.894 --> 12:43.762 -One of the surveyors is here. -Oh, does he work with Gavin? 12:43.764 --> 12:45.597 Possibly. 12:45.599 --> 12:47.699 Well, does he have a lot of plans with him? 12:47.701 --> 12:49.734 -Um... -Does he have a big tube? 12:49.736 --> 12:51.703 -Yes! -OK. Just put him in the boardroom. 12:51.705 --> 12:53.638 Is it OK if I move the shower heads? 12:53.640 --> 12:56.241 Hello. Sorry. Hi. Thanks for coming in. 12:56.243 --> 12:58.076 Natalie. Nice to meet you. Bruce. 12:58.078 --> 13:00.712 -Hi. Hugh. How you going? -Nat. 13:00.714 --> 13:02.213 -Shall we start? -BRUCE: Yes. 13:02.215 --> 13:03.948 It's very early days for the project. 13:03.950 --> 13:06.918 We're gonna get to the broader transport issues down the track. 13:06.920 --> 13:09.587 We're just having a quick look at the old railway line. 13:09.589 --> 13:11.923 Sure - we thought we'd just take this opportunity 13:11.925 --> 13:13.758 to make our feelings clear. 13:13.760 --> 13:16.995 -You're not against trains, are you? -No, no, no. No. 13:16.997 --> 13:19.130 -NAT: Good. -Not per se. 13:19.132 --> 13:21.299 But say there was an announcement 13:21.301 --> 13:23.301 coming out of this office 13:23.303 --> 13:25.403 sometime in the future... 13:25.405 --> 13:27.272 I think it's next month. 13:27.274 --> 13:31.042 ..and that announcement was to float the possibility 13:31.044 --> 13:33.745 of reconsidering an earlier proposal 13:33.747 --> 13:36.281 to reconsider the possibility 13:36.283 --> 13:38.283 of recommissioning an old train line. 13:38.285 --> 13:43.388 I mean...you...you wouldn't have an objection to that? 13:43.390 --> 13:45.824 -As we get the information... -(KNOCK AT DOOR) 13:45.826 --> 13:48.059 -Yep? -Can I grab you for five minutes? 13:48.061 --> 13:50.161 Yeah, yeah. I'll be right back. 13:50.163 --> 13:53.398 Actually, 10. Well, half an hour. 13:53.400 --> 13:56.267 Why don't we take a break? Just...morning tea. 13:56.269 --> 13:57.802 -Have we still got those muffins? -Yeah. 13:57.804 --> 14:00.138 -Is anyone here gluten-intolerant? -Carol. 14:00.140 --> 14:03.341 -Yeah, but... -She's not here. -No. OK. 14:13.018 --> 14:16.354 Yep. Site branding. It's exactly what I thought it was. 14:16.356 --> 14:18.923 A fence you put... I don't see what the urgency was. 14:18.925 --> 14:21.426 I walked out on a meeting with the geotechnical guys. 14:21.428 --> 14:24.629 Rhonda wanted you to see an example before our meeting. 14:24.631 --> 14:26.731 -What meeting? -With the design team. 14:26.733 --> 14:28.833 -What design team? -The site branding design team. 14:28.835 --> 14:31.302 Uh, Karnsten's here to see you. 14:31.304 --> 14:33.705 Yep. Yep. If you want to just take a seat. 14:33.707 --> 14:35.306 It's Karsten. 14:39.812 --> 14:42.413 Karlsen? Karst...en? Carson. 14:42.415 --> 14:44.182 -Karsten. -Sorry, Karsten. 14:44.184 --> 14:46.351 Karsten. Oh, good. Uh, here's Scott. 14:46.353 --> 14:48.887 -Scott, Karsten. -Carson. -Karsten. -Karnsten. 14:48.889 --> 14:51.489 No, there's no 'N'. Oh, I expect there's one at the end. 14:51.491 --> 14:53.925 -Yeah. -Yep. And a 'K' at the beginning? -Sure. 14:53.927 --> 14:57.295 -KARSTEN: OK. -Yep, let's get started. -Yeah, let's away. 14:57.297 --> 14:59.764 OK, now, before I show you some options, 14:59.766 --> 15:02.200 I thought we'd start with some ideation... 15:02.202 --> 15:04.269 Can we do that at the end? 15:04.271 --> 15:05.870 -How would that work? -What's that mean? 15:05.872 --> 15:07.705 Sorry, keep going. Yep. Sorry. 15:07.707 --> 15:11.442 -What is the project? -I don't know that yet. 15:11.444 --> 15:13.378 OK, what building or buildings 15:13.380 --> 15:16.214 do you see being built on the site? 15:16.216 --> 15:19.350 Oh, well, something iconic, uh, something visionary. 15:19.352 --> 15:21.452 -Something nation-building. -There it is. 15:21.454 --> 15:23.788 Do you know anything that definitely will be built 15:23.790 --> 15:25.556 on the site? 15:27.092 --> 15:32.563 Uh...definitely a fence, plus or minus a gate. 15:32.565 --> 15:37.235 -Yeah. It looks like we're gonna build a fence. -RHONDA: Mm-hm. 15:37.237 --> 15:40.505 OK, you said something interesting before. 15:40.507 --> 15:42.507 That I've got a meeting at 2:30? 15:42.509 --> 15:44.509 That it was a place of possibilities. 15:44.511 --> 15:46.010 -TONY: Oh, yeah. -I love this. 15:46.012 --> 15:49.180 -Yeah. -RHONDA: You love this? -This is what he does. 15:49.182 --> 15:50.915 TONY: I-T-I... Yep. 15:50.917 --> 15:54.018 Now, let's just tease that out a little bit. 15:54.020 --> 15:56.454 I've sort of teased out by spelling it. 15:56.456 --> 15:58.656 -Have we got any coloured markers in here? -I'll get some. 15:58.658 --> 16:02.026 -Thank you, Scotty. -We might... Yep. 16:07.833 --> 16:12.236 According to Google Earth, I think this is the bit here. 16:12.238 --> 16:14.539 Well, there's a train line here. 16:14.541 --> 16:16.975 HUGH: Oh, OK. I reckon that's it, then. 16:16.977 --> 16:21.212 -Actually, that's a giveaway. -Railway. -Yes. Nice. 16:22.514 --> 16:25.783 -I guess it would make a perfect bike path. -Sorry? 16:25.785 --> 16:29.253 Well, it's flat and wide. I can see their point. 16:29.255 --> 16:31.356 Can you also see a railway line? 16:31.358 --> 16:33.558 Yeah. You know, if you look at it... 16:33.560 --> 16:37.795 All we're saying is, let's use it for its original purpose. 16:39.932 --> 16:43.134 -Trains. -Yes. 16:44.536 --> 16:47.839 KATIE: Tony? Did you need to see a Colin? 16:47.841 --> 16:49.707 -No. -Structural engineer? 16:49.709 --> 16:51.809 Oh, yeah. Is he here about the pilings? 16:51.811 --> 16:54.979 -Or the geotechnical survey? -No, he's here about a fence. 16:54.981 --> 16:59.250 Something to do with site branding, through Rhonda. 16:59.252 --> 17:01.719 Can you get him a coffee and pop him in the boardroom? 17:01.721 --> 17:04.389 The water's still off. I have to go downstairs. 17:04.391 --> 17:07.225 -Actually, take the 10. I'll have one. -Sure. 17:08.827 --> 17:11.462 Scotty, Tony. Do you know anything about this Colin guy? 17:11.464 --> 17:13.798 A structural engineer? We've got a... 17:13.800 --> 17:17.201 You did know? No, I didn't get the email. 17:17.203 --> 17:20.271 But my settings are the same... Just hang on a second. 17:20.273 --> 17:23.708 Stage two. You're a genius! 17:23.710 --> 17:26.077 OK. Jim... OK. 17:26.079 --> 17:28.479 Mate, you need to understand something... 17:28.481 --> 17:30.081 Where'd he go? 17:31.650 --> 17:33.351 OK, where... 17:36.722 --> 17:39.090 Did Jim come just through... No? 17:44.930 --> 17:46.464 -Colin, is it? -Yes. 17:46.466 --> 17:49.934 Did a guy just walk past here with a thing on his... 17:49.936 --> 17:52.003 -He's... -Did he? 17:53.672 --> 17:56.507 -Sorry about the rush, Colin. -Oh, no worries. 17:56.509 --> 17:58.609 -I can see you're busy. -Yeah, a little bit on. 17:58.611 --> 18:01.412 At the end of the day, it's not a big job, though, is it? 18:01.414 --> 18:03.314 No. But you want it before the launch? 18:03.316 --> 18:05.783 -Oh, yeah, whenever that is. -The 22nd. 18:05.785 --> 18:07.752 How'd you know it was the 22nd? 18:07.754 --> 18:10.021 -At least, that's what I was told. -KATIE: Yep. 18:10.023 --> 18:12.423 Apparently they wanted it fast-tracked? 18:12.425 --> 18:15.026 Yep, that's right - 22nd, 9:30. 18:17.062 --> 18:18.696 -Thanks, Colin. -Yeah. 18:18.698 --> 18:20.498 -Are you right to see yourself out? -Yes. 18:20.500 --> 18:22.900 -Good on you. Thank you. -KATIE: Did you not get told? 18:22.902 --> 18:26.304 -Why is there two dishwashers? -The one you ordered didn't fit. 18:26.306 --> 18:29.006 so we either adjust the bench or get a different model. 18:29.008 --> 18:31.008 Or put the first one back. It's 3.5 stars. 18:31.010 --> 18:32.810 -Amy wants five stars. -Where is Amy? 18:32.812 --> 18:34.445 Getting another dishwasher. 18:41.687 --> 18:43.654 How's it going? 18:43.656 --> 18:45.490 -Good. -Really? 18:45.492 --> 18:49.427 Uh, yeah. It's perfect. The whole corridor's still there. 18:49.429 --> 18:53.865 So there's no planning issues or anything? 18:53.867 --> 18:56.667 None that we could find. 18:56.669 --> 18:58.736 So there's nothing standing in our way? 18:58.738 --> 19:00.271 Apart from the cyclists. 19:00.273 --> 19:02.540 -How did cyclists get involved? -Well, they came in... 19:02.542 --> 19:06.043 What's the point of lanyards if we can't keep cyclists out? 19:06.045 --> 19:07.545 -I knew they had an issue. -An issue? 19:07.547 --> 19:09.213 Why are cyclists against an old railway line 19:09.215 --> 19:10.882 being turned into a railway line? 19:10.884 --> 19:13.351 -They think it's the thin end of the wedge. -What wedge? 19:13.353 --> 19:15.119 When these opportunities come up, they feel 19:15.121 --> 19:17.121 if they don't put their foot down, they lose out. 19:17.123 --> 19:19.323 Oh, seriously? I need something for the 22nd. 19:19.325 --> 19:21.392 And right now, it is a choice between a potentially 19:21.394 --> 19:23.794 headline-grabbing transport initiative and a fence. 19:23.796 --> 19:25.796 You know what - I just need one or two groups 19:25.798 --> 19:28.666 that the journos can ring on the day to say how wonderful it is 19:28.668 --> 19:30.902 that we're recommitting to public transport, that's all. 19:30.904 --> 19:33.271 -We'll do a ring-around. -TONY: OK. 19:33.273 --> 19:34.739 No, no, no, very early stages. 19:34.741 --> 19:36.440 We're just touching base with stakeholder groups. 19:36.442 --> 19:38.876 Yes - so would the Public Transport Users Association 19:38.878 --> 19:41.012 be broadly supportive? 19:41.014 --> 19:42.747 OK, just...just supportive. 19:42.749 --> 19:45.049 So I guess what I'm asking is would Rail Australia 19:45.051 --> 19:47.451 be supportive - generally supportive? 19:47.453 --> 19:49.320 I mean, in principle, would you support... 19:49.322 --> 19:51.322 Uh-huh. And why's that? 19:51.324 --> 19:54.025 I mean, supportive and broadly supportive are quite close... 19:54.027 --> 19:55.793 No, OK. Just supportive. 19:55.795 --> 19:58.896 But in terms of support, on a scale of 1 to 10? 19:58.898 --> 20:00.431 Right. 20:00.433 --> 20:02.733 And when you say one, which end? 20:02.735 --> 20:04.902 I'm sorry, I can't give you an answer on tolls. 20:04.904 --> 20:07.138 No, we're not involved with the very fast train. 20:07.140 --> 20:09.207 No, no, that's a different group. 20:09.209 --> 20:11.309 No... I'm not sure what their number is, sorry. 20:11.311 --> 20:13.477 NAT: Well, can you explain what those objections would be? 20:14.846 --> 20:17.648 Oh, I was expect... Yep. 20:17.650 --> 20:19.383 No, no, that's fine. 20:19.385 --> 20:22.086 So no is the answer. Alright. 20:33.232 --> 20:36.534 Come on, Karnsen. Kartsen. What's his name, again? 20:36.536 --> 20:38.736 I've forgotten where the 'N' goes now. 20:38.738 --> 20:41.505 Honestly, I don't know why he can't email us this stuff. 20:41.507 --> 20:43.541 Just... Rhonda said to get a proper feel... 20:43.543 --> 20:45.776 Take my advice - don't listen to Rhonda, alright? 20:45.778 --> 20:49.046 -Is that something you sit on? -I think it's a sculpture. 20:49.048 --> 20:51.382 -Morning, Tony. -Oh, good morning, Carson. 20:51.384 --> 20:53.651 -How are you, Scott? -Yeah. 20:53.653 --> 20:56.454 -Have you guys been here before? -Uh, no, no. 20:56.456 --> 20:58.522 -Why don't I give you a quick tour? -SCOTT: Great. 20:58.524 --> 21:00.157 -Look, I don't... -OK, great. 21:00.159 --> 21:03.794 Now, you'll have to forgive me if some of these seem rushed. 21:03.796 --> 21:06.230 It's a tight time line to make the 21st. 21:06.232 --> 21:08.733 -It's actually the 22nd. -No, it is the 21st. 21:09.935 --> 21:11.802 Can you cc me on this stuff? 21:11.804 --> 21:14.505 Whenever you get an email from us, can you fire it to me? 21:14.507 --> 21:16.374 -She texted me. -Alright. 21:16.376 --> 21:19.577 Can I get everyone just to... close their eyes? 21:19.579 --> 21:22.580 Given it's the 21st now, I reckon we keep our eyes open. 21:22.582 --> 21:25.916 OK. Well, let's look at a few examples. 21:25.918 --> 21:28.386 -Oh! -OK, so... 21:28.388 --> 21:31.422 This is great. This is one that we're doing in Brisbane. 21:31.424 --> 21:33.724 Just with a few 3-D representations. 21:33.726 --> 21:36.260 TONY: Yeah, that's great, Karnsk... 21:36.262 --> 21:38.763 You know what? You can email this stuff to us. 21:38.765 --> 21:40.998 I mean, you don't need to drag us all over... 21:41.000 --> 21:42.566 You're not dragging us. 21:42.568 --> 21:45.036 Well, this way, you get a feel for the visuals 21:45.038 --> 21:46.837 in some sort of context. 21:46.839 --> 21:48.739 -Better ideation. -Indeed. 21:48.741 --> 21:51.475 Now, this is...this is something interesting. 21:51.477 --> 21:54.578 This is one we did in Jakarta. 21:54.580 --> 21:56.580 -NAT: How'd it go? -SCOTT: Good. -TONY: Awful. 21:56.582 --> 21:58.449 Big long meeting about a fence. 21:58.451 --> 22:01.752 But have you managed to come up with anything from your side? 22:01.754 --> 22:03.654 -What? -For the push. 22:03.656 --> 22:05.723 -TONY: No. -Oh. 22:05.725 --> 22:07.258 What do you mean "Oh"? 22:07.260 --> 22:09.293 Public Transport Users Association - 22:09.295 --> 22:11.796 what possible issue could they have with public transport? 22:11.798 --> 22:14.265 Fare structures, zones. 22:14.267 --> 22:16.901 There was just a bunch of potential unresolved issues. 22:16.903 --> 22:20.137 We'll resolve them, but they can support us in principle. 22:21.039 --> 22:23.374 BOTH: Not by the 21st. 22:23.376 --> 22:25.343 AMA. That's not the AMA. 22:25.345 --> 22:27.044 They don't have an official policy, 22:27.046 --> 22:29.980 but it's passive transport, and they've got an obesity issue. 22:29.982 --> 22:32.183 I think the cyclists got to them. 22:33.318 --> 22:35.319 Why would the Rail Heritage Society 22:35.321 --> 22:36.854 have a problem with railways? 22:36.856 --> 22:38.856 They think the trains might damage the tracks. 22:38.858 --> 22:41.492 -That's a fair point. -We're putting in new tracks. 22:41.494 --> 22:43.694 -They want to preserve the old ones. -Oh, for fuck's sake! 22:43.696 --> 22:45.663 We're not gonna get it sorted by the 21st. 22:45.665 --> 22:47.765 Are you telling me no-one is for this proposal? 22:47.767 --> 22:50.601 -Infrastructure Australia. -Only they want it as a tunnel. 22:50.603 --> 22:52.970 So you'd have the trains going through and... 22:52.972 --> 22:55.973 -No-one? -In the end, I think most of them will be for it. 22:55.975 --> 22:57.708 But not by the 21st. 22:57.710 --> 22:59.377 No. 23:00.946 --> 23:03.681 -Shall I get the time line? -No. -No. 23:06.952 --> 23:10.321 Nation-builders! Hey! 23:12.391 --> 23:14.992 JIM: There's the man I've been looking for! 23:14.994 --> 23:17.261 -How good is this? -TONY: What? 23:17.263 --> 23:19.997 -It's a mock-up, of the fence. -(KATIE GASPS) 23:19.999 --> 23:21.832 -Have you not seen it? -No. 23:21.834 --> 23:24.001 -It's going in the press pack. -KATIE: Great. 23:24.003 --> 23:26.537 Well done. We are all set for the 17th. 23:26.539 --> 23:29.440 -21st. -Ah, they moved the date again. 23:29.442 --> 23:32.543 But one question does keep coming up. 23:32.545 --> 23:35.413 -What is Stage 2? -No. No, no-one's asked that. 23:35.415 --> 23:38.482 More, what's something the ministers can do on the day? 23:38.484 --> 23:40.384 -Ministers? -Yeah, two state, three federal. 23:40.386 --> 23:42.219 All due to you. You should be very proud. 23:42.221 --> 23:45.189 -But what's something they can do? -I don't know. Speak? 23:45.191 --> 23:47.691 Oh, they'll speak! Don't worry about that. 23:47.693 --> 23:50.694 Physically, once they've all said what an exciting day it is, 23:50.696 --> 23:53.164 is there something they can actually do? 23:53.166 --> 23:55.833 -This is what I tried to point out. -Doesn't have to be big! 23:55.835 --> 23:57.701 Just something symbolic of what we're doing. 23:57.703 --> 24:00.070 -We haven't done anything. -You put up a fence. -And a gate. 24:00.072 --> 24:01.539 There's a gate? Can they open the gate? 24:01.541 --> 24:03.541 -It's locked. -Can they unlock it? 24:03.543 --> 24:05.943 Maybe have an official padlock, they can hand over the keys. 24:05.945 --> 24:07.445 -I love this. -No, no, no, no, no. 24:07.447 --> 24:09.313 -Can they plant something? -What? -A mighty oak. 24:09.315 --> 24:11.215 -It's grassland. -Can they dig something? 24:11.217 --> 24:13.117 They've got those shiny shovels they use. 24:13.119 --> 24:16.353 -We do need to do that soil testing. -Yeah, we do. 24:16.355 --> 24:18.022 Perfect. There's four ideas. Yeah? 24:18.024 --> 24:20.858 I'll leave it with you. Have a think, get back to me. 24:20.860 --> 24:22.593 -OK. -Great. 24:22.595 --> 24:24.428 Which one are you gonna pick? 24:35.440 --> 24:38.242 Parking information for you and the delegation's just in there. 24:38.244 --> 24:41.278 -And security's from 8:00. -Katie, Authority. 24:41.280 --> 24:43.781 -What? -We're Nation Building Authority. 24:43.783 --> 24:45.616 (GROANS) I'll redo those sheets. 24:47.018 --> 24:49.253 -You OK? -(SIGHS) 24:49.255 --> 24:51.522 We're about to launch a stage in this project 24:51.524 --> 24:54.258 that is exactly the same as the previous stage. 24:54.260 --> 24:56.794 -And we're gonna have five dignitaries... -Seven. 24:56.796 --> 24:58.295 Traditional owners. 24:58.297 --> 25:00.197 ..seven dignitaries standing in front of a fence. 25:00.199 --> 25:02.433 -And a gate. -And a gate. 25:02.435 --> 25:06.136 For the purpose of driving a peg into the ground. 25:07.706 --> 25:09.874 You know what really worries me? 25:09.876 --> 25:12.209 That Rhonda might pull this off? 25:12.211 --> 25:14.745 She just might pull it off. 25:14.747 --> 25:17.648 NEWSREADER: Global sharemarket jitters on inflation fears. 25:17.650 --> 25:20.818 Floods continue to create havoc in Eastern Europe. 25:20.820 --> 25:22.653 And back home, pegs in the ground 25:22.655 --> 25:25.489 as our nation-builders declare Stage 2.